21 Class TUE NOV 15

21 Class TUE NOV 15

Riddle: Decide for Yourself

Where I first saw this image: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-56286719

Is the BBC website a credible source of news? Is it credible enough that you will accept this photograph has not been altered after it was taken? The optical phenomenon is described in ways that sound SORT OF credible, but if the BBC had published it on April 01, maybe we wouldn’t be so likely to accept its veracity. Read the article. Decide for yourself. Leave observations below.


Writing Advice

Just Passed Scenic Views

The problem with this sign should be obvious, but just to be sure, let’s talk about the serious mistake it makes.


Any writer making the same mistake would have to return her reader’s attention back to the material he’s already read and analyzed, draw his attention to things he might have missed, prepare him after the fact to receive information in the most effective way, and talk him out of conclusions he’s already drawn. All because she failed to put the sign AHEAD OF THE SCENIC VIEWS instead of behind them.

Version 1.
This paragraph makes the “Just Passed Scenic Views” mistake:

In a recent poll, 51% of Americans estimated that most or some of the food they eat is genetically modified (or contains GMOs) while the rest claimed that they eat “no GMOs” or “not too much.” Further, 65% of those who knowingly eat a fair amount of GMO food claim to have read a lot about genetically modified foods, while a whopping 75% of GMO-abstainers admit they have read nothing about these foods. You would think these results would be the other way around if modified organisms were as terrible as some perceive them to be. Instead, the poll revealed that most of the people who are consuming GMOs have gathered a lot of information on them, while 75% of the people who stay away from these foods admitted to reading absolutely nothing about them.

Version 2.
This paragraph tells readers to watch for “Scenic Views Ahead”:

Evidence shows that adults who are educated about genetically-modified foods (GMOs) accept their safety and consume them without hesitation. In a 2018 Pew Center Research Poll, 65% of respondents who knowingly eat a fair amount of GMO food report that they have read a lot about GMOs and feel well-informed. Those who admit ignorance about GMOs, on the other hand, fear and avoid them. Among GMO-abstainers, many of whom admit to having “health concerns” about the products, a whopping 75% admit they have read nothing about genetic modification or GMO foods.

Preview Rhetoric Unit:

(Prepare for Class TUE NOV 15)

Sources Unit—
(Prepare for Class TUE NOV 15)

  • Sources Workshop Number 2
    • Responsive to Student X’s trouble finding academic sources
    • Located in Course Documents/Research Tips/Sources Workshop

Writing Skills

Rebuttal Unit

For the sake of practice, let’s assume you are strongly in favor of nuclear power as an alternative to burning fossil fuels. Nuclear doesn’t burn petroleum, coal, or natural gas. It doesn’t emit carbon dioxide or methane. It is, by comparison to many alternatives, a clean and sustainable fuel for producing electricity. You’re writing a paper to promote new investment in nuclear power plants.

In your research, you run across an article by Bob Herbert in the New York Times that concerns you. Herbert sounds pretty knowledgeable, and you know he speaks compellingly for opponents of nuclear power in the US. How can you USE HIS ARTICLE in your Rebuttal Argument?

Does he make mistakes of logic? Does he apply his evidence inappropriately? Does he complain of cost overruns that don’t actually result in overly expensive power? Does he concentrate on one or two objections and ignore all the advantages of nuclear power? Does he set up a false choice between two options when there are other alternatives?

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52 Responses to 21 Class TUE NOV 15

  1. rushhourilllusion says:

    My Notes:
    Floating Boat: Honestly, I think maybe BBC got the photo from a view or such. Maybe someone posted it, but one that might be real or edited we don’t know. But the topic is if BBC is reliable. Although they do state, “An optical illusion caused the ship to appear as though it was hovering above the horizon”
    “Just passed scenic views”: Really serves no purpose as the scenic views are over. As stated by Professor Hodges, “those who were paying attention know, but those who weren’t would be disappointed.” It would make more sense to introduce the scenic views when first going into them rather than at the end. Which was compared to the essays, introducing the material and all key information in the beginning of the essay rather than the end.
    Writing skills: negative verbs with the word because following right after creates confusion.

  2. bubbarowan96 says:

    -The optical phenomenon is described in ways that sound SORT OF credible, but if the BBC had published it on April 01, maybe we wouldn’t be so likely to accept its veracity.
    – Any writer making the same mistake would have to return her reader’s attention back to the material he’s already read and analyzed, draw his attention to things he might have missed, prepare him after the fact to receive information in the most effective way
    -In a recent poll, 51% of Americans estimated that most or some of the food they eat is genetically modified (or contains GMOs) while the rest claimed that they eat “no GMOs” or “not too much.
    -Evidence shows that adults who are educated about genetically modified foods (GMOs) accept their safety and consume them without hesitation.
    -For the sake of practice, let’s assume you are strongly in favor of nuclear power as an alternative to burning fossil fuels. Nuclear doesn’t burn petroleum, coal, or natural gas. It doesn’t emit carbon dioxide or methane.

    • davidbdale says:

      Sometimes cut-and-paste notes work.
      Sometimes they don’t.
      These don’t contain memorable writing lessons; they’re important content, but not conclusions or takeaways.

  3. bullymaguire29 says:

    – Magic is just misunderstood sciences
    – double check the legitimacy of the sources
    – “order of operations” in your stats, rhetoric, and thoughts
    – prepare your reader to receive your information
    – if trying to persuade, use emotions, stats, and anything that could make you more convincing
    – don’t be too late with your explanation
    – set up and execution
    – straight forward claims are the best
    – most credible response to your thesis is your best choice for a rebuttal
    – look for opposition
    – don’t be afraid to use a GOOD rebuttal to your thesis
    – quote and destroy
    – analogies are where your strongest rebuttals will be

  4. kaboom10 says:

    You can’t afford to lose the reader’s interest in any part of an essay.
    Avoid returning the readers attention to the material they’ve already read and analyzed.
    Don’t say “not because,” get straight to the point.
    Because is good to say but “for” can be even better.
    Using a counter argument in your rebuttal should take one paragraph introducing it.
    The rest should be used in tearing that argument to shreds.
    Attack the weak points the article or sources makes.
    Usually with less evidence provided.
    Rebuttal argument due april 18.
    Rhetoric argument due this sunday.

  5. – I think no news source is fully credible. Each news source has their own agenda and most of the time it is simply to make money rather than just telling the news. They have to be dramatic in order to get people watching and this is a perfect example of this. I think they probably raised the position of the ship to make it seem that it was floating, which maybe it was, but there is no way it reflected that high.
    – Just passed scenic views is a pretty funny sign. It says information that is not important to the reader after passing these signs because they did not know to look out for them. By putting it after, the reader just has to take your word for it, which is not gonna help your argument at all because they most likely will not. During the drive what if they did not find the views to be that scenic, but rather blind. Something being scenic is subjective, and would have to be argued if someone disagreed it being scenic at all. You can look at this in reading too because by not having your main thoughts/what you are trying to prove in the beginning of your writing, then the reader can just form his own conclusions and it might challenge what you are trying to say. It might make sense to justify what you are saying before saying it, but the reader might not get that far and by the time he does, he might not even agree. Put the main idea in the front. In the example, The statistics mean nothing to us because we don’t know what they are trying to get at in the beginning. Halfway through a reader might even decide to stop reading because they eat GMO food, and do not want to find out anything bad about it.

  6. blue2228 says:

    notes – blue
    The sign “Just passed scenic views” is redundant, because most people don’t want to turn around and go back to the scenic views.
    You don’t want your essay to be like this sign. You want to guide your reader through your own “scenic views,” or in this case the bulk of your essay. You don’t want them to have to turn around and go back. Instead let them know what you’re going for in the essay before they read it.
    “I don’t love you because you’re beautiful” works in the same way, this message’s negative connotation ruins your positive intentions. Eliminate because and do not use “don’t.”
    Smart readers have objections, and you should think ahead for what they could be and counter them.
    If you can provide some good evidence to refute a point, you win the poker hand.
    Search for small falsities in the analogy and use them to pick apart the argument.

    • davidbdale says:

      Full of brilliant insights. This is beautiful:

      “I don’t love you because you’re beautiful” works in the same way, this message’s negative connotation ruins your positive intentions.


  7. grizzlybear16 says:

    Getting rid of not and replacing it with a positive verb the ambiguity goes away
    Sentences with not can be unclear
    Nobody really wants to change there mind
    Have to have a good argument
    A Lot of energy in separating a single molecule
    You can not just say insufficient evidence in a rebuttal argument
    Counter insufficient evidence with evidence of your own
    No obligation to use evidence that does not support your view
    Fukushima was in the worst possible spot very close to fault lines and the ocean
    Earthquake destroyed the powerplant
    Point out false analogys like Herberts analogy with Fukushima comparing it to the plant in Nebraska

  8. chance1117 says:

    -I got to class 10 minutes late
    -If you wait till the end of a paragraph to explain your point then that will lose the readers interest so make sure you mention it early on
    -Small writing tip: “ I don’t love you because you’re beautiful . What you mean is you love them for other reasons than being beautiful.
    -Never say “ not because” in your writing
    -There are better ways to say “ I don’t love you because you’re beautiful” , and they are “ I love you, but not because you’re beautiful “ ( good) , “I love you not just for your beauty” ( good) , or “I love you for your beauty and your generous heart” (best)
    -Using for over because is better
    -Find an argument contrary to our own
    -Refutation to our hypothesis ( cut its knees out from underneath it)
    -Smart readers are gonna have a strong objection
    -A paragraph should be devoted to your argument
    -stacking the deck is supporting your side of the argument

  9. We talked about writing advice. By not putting our evidence too late in our writing, to put in advance so the reader is pulled in. Then do your explaining, not to explain first then provide your evidence they would’ve missed your point. In our discussion of writing skills and the sentence “I don’t love you because you’re beautiful.” As soon as I read it I knew that sentence was improper and wasn’t getting the point across. I have learned not to say not because in the same sentence because the words “because” will go with the verb instead of the noun. Making your claims avoiding negative words will make it even stronger. For example “I love you for your beauty and your sense of humor.” We then began to mention our rebuttal unit that we will be starting in the near future. The goal is to find the strongest evidence that goes against your hypothesis. And we discussed insufficient evidence. It is not valid to say the author did not provide enough evidence. We discussed the idea of “stacking the deck”. Which means only showing evidence that will protect your own hypothesis. While you should show evidence that completely contradicts your hypothesis.

    • davidbdale says:

      Strong Notes, Reeses. I could tell by your face that you immediately sensed the fatal error of saying, “I don’t love you . . . because you’re beautiful.”

  10. schoolcookiemonster says:


    I think the picture of the ship was not edited and I think it was taken at an angle that gives an illusion that the ship is floating. I can see the line very softly separating the sky and the ocean line.

    Getting sources from the producer is not a good choice since it can be easy to praise your own product. It can be beneficial to put the point of the paragraph in the beginning or at the end of the paragraph to keep the reader interested and help them have powerful evidence to prove your argument.

    The most straightforward claims are the most beneficial to an argument and use more positives which helps them contain power.

    For the Rebuttal argument, I have to find the most credible evidence that I can to go against my own argument. Anticipate what the readers’ strong objection is and do not talk about it in your essay and refute the source. Is the source only talking about advantages and disadvantages in the argument? Saying that the argument does not have enough evidence is not a good rebuttal. Irrelevant evidence is not good evidence that can lead to a different conclusion. Making analogies that can cause problems is not accurate.

  11. njdevilsred17 says:

    The optical illusion of the boat floating in the air is that someone had taken a picture that had left out the water in the background. The angle that which we as the observers are looking at the focused object of the boat is playing with our eyes based on the way they are angled. I think the source was altered because I don’t think a camera works like that.

    The just-passed scenic views picture is like our writing where we are explaining how important your claim is and holding the reader till the end of the paragraph. The reader will not reread it and you need to think like the way the reader may think.

    When saying don’t or not because the reader will only hear the first part and you will need to explain yourself instead of getting your point across with that statement.

    A rebuttal argument is not all negative as it will be difficult for the reader to read another 1000 words of more negatives. You need to anticipate what the reader may be thinking as an objection.

    • davidbdale says:

      A rebuttal argument is not all negative as it will be difficult for the reader to read another 1000 words of more negatives.

      Not quite, NJ. The rebuttal argument is a POSITIVE ARGUMENT that refutes the strongest rebuttal you can find to your own thesis. The only part that’s “negative,” is the section in which you describe the point of view of your “worthy opponent.”

  12. shepardspy says:

    I believe that BBC is a credible source of news. That is why I think the picture is real, however, there is some insane explanation that will allow me to see the picture better.

    Writing Advice
    Place the important point of your paragraph at the beginning to let the reader know what to pay attention to.
    It will allow the reader to draw conclusions.
    You cannot put not before because. However, you can get away with putting because before not.

    Rebuttal Unit
    Don’t try to find a weak point of evidence and rebut it. This is just a waste of 1,000 words and will not impact your essay in any way.
    Instead, find the most credible source that refutes your hypothesis.
    To rebuttal an ineffective argument, then suggest an effective argument.

  13. ilovecoffee says:

    -The picture of the boat really caught my attention.
    -It is an optical illusion, however I do not normally truly believe in everything that a news source says.
    -All news channels are biased in some way, shape or form. Everyone leans towards one option or another whether they mean it or not
    -It is critical that in your writing, you double check to see if your sources are credible or not
    -The sign “just passed scenic views” is sort of counterintuitive and ultimately a waste of space because the point is for you to look at the views before they come and not have to turn around.
    -The paragraph about scenic views ahead is much more effective.
    -Think of rebuttals that your readers may think of and address them so that your reader does not think that they have anything that can go against your word.
    -Including analogies makes your argument stronger.
    -Putting in parallel analogies allows for your readers is as good or better than textual evidence

  14. f0restrun says:

    It would be hard to think photos like this are real because sometimes on the internet photos that are supposed to be real are often altered.

    If you do have a compelling case and you devote a paragraph to it and you haven’t named your thesis, your reader will draw conclusions the entire paragraph

    You cannot say negative because because the negative applies to the verb
    Sentences that will eliminate because all together are much stronger than if you do

    To not confirm is to deny,

    Instead we find an argument contrary of our own and we offer it, and then we kill it
    There’d be no persuasive value refuting a weak argument
    If you get rid of that strong objection because it will satisfy half of your readers

  15. AnonymousStudent says:

    The article about the floating ship does seem credible enough because it provides in depth explanation of the phenomenon surrounding it.

    The sign symbolizes that when you feed information to viewers and then bring around the importance of it, the meaning is already forgotten to the readers. Instead, prepare the readers with the conclusion and then back it up with the information.

    Your conclusion being in the beginning engages the reader to receive your research and create better understanding overall.

    False analogy can be combated by revealing how it falls short

    False conclusion can be combated by showing where the information creates that conclusion and paint the real conclusion around it.

    Usually the first step to revising your argument is to cut out misguiding words and phrases.

    When doing this, your argument will be revealed clearly and can be viewed as good or bad

  16. gobirds17 says:

    Class Notes-

    The picture is credible.

    Just passed scenic views-

    Don’t reflect back to previous writing because your reader will have to circle back on something they already read and analyzed. It is most important to point this our before you read it.

    If we hide our idea until the end of the paragraph we may lose the reader. It is a better strategy to state it and then elaborate so the reader doesn’t need to reflect back.

    If we see this phrase in a comment we failed to inform the reader first. Need to edit.

    Rhetoric Unit-

    What makes someone doubt what I am saying? Our readers will have an idea of their own, recognize the prejudices that keeps them from acknowledging how much better my argument is.

    Unmask False Analogy: Compared two unlike things. Opponents argument is misidentified from the start

    False conclusion: When you have great evidence but draw the wrong conclusion from it. Average can fall into this trap because outliers sway it.

    Painting a divergent opinion into a corner: Cast doubt one little piece at a time.

    Reducing definition to absurdity: Take it at its word. “No means no” How often do you have to check. This means you must hear yes over and over

    In-Class Exercise 1-

    What is the Author’s Position? Underfunding communities leads to continuous poverty

    What Does the Worthy Opponent Say? It is the responsibility of the person to succeed in life not the responsibility of the state.

    The Rhetorical Strategy: Unmask false conclusion

    Explanation: I would attempt to use this strategy that another driving factor is causing this continuous poverty rather than underfunding communities.

    Rhetoric and Scholarship-

    Sometimes making clear statements makes your argument more sound. It helps create a clear line of thinking which is more understandable for your reader. Doing this does give readers time to disagree.

    Try to rethink sentences and ideas. We want our arguments and premises to be clear.

    The not has way more value than the because in sentence structure.

  17. hollyp715 says:

    11/15 Class Notes
    Floating ship? This image does not necessarily seem credible enough to me. However, using a source such as a meteorologist to explain the image creates a better understanding that this is possible.
    The sign “Just Passed Scenic Views” reminds me of inserting new, important information about a previously talked about argument in a location (conclusion) that comes later than the foundation of the argument.
    Introducing thesis THEN providing evidence is equivalent to “Scenic Views Ahead”
    In Class assignment responses posted on individual pages

  18. gymrat230 says:

    Floating Ship
    I do think this source is credible. The only doubt in my mind would be the person who took the photograph. However, BBC brought in their own meteorologist to clarify how a mirage like this could happen.

    Sign Analogy
    A common mistake in writing is saving your bold claim for the end of a paragraph. Take the first sentence to make your bold claim, inform your audience, and then persuade and evidence from there.

    Don’t give readers time to disagree with your argument.

    Sufficient Scholarship
    Consider using cause and effect sentences throughout the tripwires that are a causal argument. If done well, the bomb is diffused and you move on to the rebuttal argument. Trip over a wire, the causal argument blows up in our faces and we need some extensive work done on our rewrites.

    Remember, I love you for your beauty and your generous heart is the best course of option. No doubt, positive claim, and you don’t get slapped.

  19. giantsfan224 says:

    – Boat example- I think that based on their explanation it COULD be credible, but considering that it was posted on April 1st, just kind of makes it seem like a joke.
    – We must be certain that our sources are credible. Leave no doubt.
    – If there is a good piece of evidence, it needs to be shared first. Prep the reader to receive the information, so that they don’t lose focus on the “view”.
    – No scenic value when the scenic view is passed. Guide the reader so that they know the “scenic view” is upcoming.
    – We must provide enough scholarship to confirm to the reader that we just aren’t sharing opinions.
    – Guide your readers through the “whys” of your causal argument.
    – Be sure to reinforce the causal nature consistently.
    – Masking your writing might fool a poor reader, but not an experienced one.
    – Be care with putting “not” and “don’t” as the independent clause in a sentence. (I don’t love you example)
    – Using negatives can leave a lot in doubt, instead nail down other positive aspects.

  20. fatboy489zt says:

    Each long sentence can be simplified down so that we don’t use too much “throat clearing” writing

    Guide your reader carefully through the “why’s” of your writing

    Don’t just keep giving your readers “facts” through each sentence of your writing, it gets tiring

    Do not start off a “because” sentence saying that you aren’t doing something. Change the because into a “not because” type of statement.

  21. – I believe the BBC photo is credible. The description of why the ship is floating sounds like it could be an actual scientific explanation; therefore, I believe this actually happened.
    – You have to prepare the reader for the evidence you are sharing. The wrong conclusion will be drawn if you do not set up the point you are trying the make.
    – Do not drag the reader through useless pieces of information that do not help make the conclusion you want.
    – Rhetoric and argument are compatible and almost always have to go together.
    – Don’t give readers time to disagree.

  22. alwaystired247 says:

    The road sign “just passed scenic views” represents a common writing mistake. This is when we throw out good evidence but at the wrong time, so the reader does not conjure the thoughts they were supposed to from it. We have to give them the evidence and then explain it right after. On a similar note, when we make a claim, we should support it right away. We should not make a claim or cite evidence, then not return to them until two paragraphs or even sentences later. A better idea would be a sign that says “watch out for scenic views,” so they know they expect what is coming up ahead of them. Most people who avoid GMO foods have not read anything about them, while people who read about them tend to continue eating them.
    In our writing, we should be able to detect ways somebody may refute our argument and plan out how to respond to those issues. We should do so with evidence in order to completely eliminate any doubt in our audiences’ minds.
    Instead of making a negative claim before a positive one, we should do this the other way around. An example of this would be the sentence “I don’t love you because you’re beautiful.” All they will hear is “I don’t love you,” and they may end up hurt or angry. A way to fix this would be “I love you, but not because you’re beautiful.” That way, the receiver knows that you love them but not for any superficial reasons. We have to apply this in our writing and make sure not to say anything that will make up readers’ minds right away. We should also replace negative verbs with positive ones. “Didn’t” can instead be “declined.”

  23. mochaatrain says:

    -I’ll believe that the photo was doctored because I wouldn’t know whether science could do that to an image of a ship. I don’t know enough about the science behind the atmospheric condition’s effect on vision, so I’ll just think that it is a doctored photo.
    -Make the reader recognize your good evidence before they make their own conclusions.
    -Don’t create a surprising conclusion. Introduce the conclusion first and back it up.
    -Let the viewers know that they are seeing the grand canyon before talking about it.
    Tell about its marvelous and spectacular nature before saying how it was made.
    -Pay respect to the other point of view being reasoned with logic when making a refutation argument.
    -Rhetorical strategies: False analogy (a high school football field isn’t like an NFL field), False conclusion (the average being taken is influenced by Bill Gates), Paint divergent opinion into a corner(smoke detectors have many flaws based on how they are handled), reduce the definition from one thing to another (consent to absurdity), expose the duplicity of the argument.
    -If arguments are made short and clear, the viewer has a hard time arguing.
    -When making a causal argument instead of listing fact after fact, add cause and effect elements to guide the reader through one thing leading to another to reinforce the causal nature of the argument.
    -The “not” has way more important than the “because.” Putting “not” before “because” can negatively affect the purpose of the sentence.

  24. College Composition 2
    Class Notes
    The picture of the ship floating over the water is very trippy. I can not explain how confused I am because the cargo ship looks like it is floating on air and no water appears to be under the ship, just air.
    In the rhetoric refutation example 1, Professor Hodges pointed out that highschool grass fields do not have the money to maintain the field like the NFL could.
    Example 2 showed me, judging by averages is a false conclusion, do not do it.
    Example 3, put your opponents point of view or problems with your opinion in a corner and make sure you answer anything that seems problematic to your opinion with evidence to back your statement.
    Example 4, reduce the definition of consent to absurdity. This is a technique of turning your opponent’s response against them.
    Example 5, expose the duplicity of the argument.
    Author’s position: Low income communities can not fund a reasonable public school for kids.
    In Class Exercise 1: Kids are not getting turned down because of low-income communities, kids are getting turned away from jobs because they do not have a highschool diploma this is why they will get turned down before they even reach the door.
    I feel as though I exposed the duplicity of the argument.
    Rhetoric can hide or reveal arguments, when talking about the limestone money the writer missed the point that the limestone is not worth anything nowadays.
    Sometimes instead of writing two lengthy sentences you can just combine them and chop out the wordiness to be more effective.
    Guide your reader through the whys, do not just list the facts over and over again. The why’s will create a causal chain.
    The revised paragraph really hits home, every sentence emphasizes a point in your argument that seems to be useful. The sentences follow one another like a line of baby ducks following their momma duck. As the reader I can not really think of rebuttals at the moment to conflict your conclusion. The causal chain is very refined and completely makes sense.
    I don’t love you because you’re beautiful. Do not say this because everyone picks up on the I don’t love you so always use the positive and then hit the negative.

  25. beforeverge says:

    – Make sure to warn readers of important information, typically with a topic sentence, to prepare them for details in your evidence.
    – Types of rhetorical strategies: false analogy, false conclusion, paint the divergent opinion in a corner, expose the duplicity of the argument, reduce to absurdity.
    – Rhetoric writing should be clear, reveal strong arguments, and guide readers without giving them time to disagree.
    – “Not because” confuses readers. Doing the opposite, saying the positive, can make your meaning more clear.
    – “Not because” assignment is due by next class, and reviewing other assignments will prepare you for next class.

  26. Class Notes:

    – The image was very confusing considering that a big ship like that is floating
    – Make sure the writer gives great evidence back up their hypothesis so that the reader is challenged and can make a hard decision
    – The conclusion should no rewrite what is in the writers first paragraph. Think of something different and than back it up
    – When a writer makes a claim it is important to provide evidence and explain it right after the claim and not later on in the writing
    – If an argument is short and clear than it is hard for the reader to go against it. With making a claim short and clear is does not give the reader time to think or make a decision.
    – When making a causal argument instead of listing fact after fact, add cause and effect elements to guide the reader through one thing leading to another to reinforce the causal nature of the argument
    – A writer needs to be able to pick out where a reader has time to go against your claim or has time to stop reading. The writer needs evidence on top of more evidence, but not blabber that drags on

  27. The article by BBC news appears to show an optical illusion of a boat on the horizon that apparently is floating. Obviously we know that what we comprehend to see is not actually what is happening, rather just an illusion from the photographer’s prespective.

    The sign is a bit ironic because it warms people too late about the historical views after they had already passed them, so what is the point of the sign?

    Analogies and how they can be hurtful and harmful, professors try to steer us in the right way for this concept to be used in our next essay.

    In class we practices two different Rhetoric examples in which we had to explain the information presented to us and how we could effectively use it

    Rhetoric finds a way to explain and rephrase arguments to persuade their audience

    Looking at the examples provides in class could help limit some feedback conversations

    • Ending – don’t say “I don’t love you because you’re beautiful”, because although your intentions are right, your wording could be off putting to what the person listens may interpret. Instead re word your sentence to clear all confusion and try saying “I live your for your beauty and your generous heart.

  28. 11/15
    Optical Illusion – I believe the picture is real but I can see why there could be an aversion to that idea. Sources like the BBC can be considered reliable, but the information it can have could still be doubted. Finding other sources to corroborate with can help make the evidence more reliable.

    Just Passed Scenic Views- You should draw the reader’s attention to your evidence while making the argument you are using it for. Don’t make conclusions far after you give your evidence, use your facts and numbers after you already made your claim for them.

    The rebuttal argument is due next Tuesday the 22nd.

    Rhetoric for Rebbutule –
    Address that there are other points of view that have some validity, then start the rebuttal argument using a rhetoric strategy.

    Argument and Rhetoric-
    The style of language that is used while speaking should not be reflected in what you write. Use precise language and clear statements that are easy to interpret, then make sure the arguments are persuasive and serve the claim. Be brief, don’t give readers time to disagree. Take out sentences that are not essential.

    I don’t love you because you’re beautiful – should be – I love you for your beauty and your generous heart.
    Be more specific and direct. Don’t push the negatives. Find a positive way to make the claim.

  29. – An optical illusion caused a ship to appear as though it was hovering above the horizon
    – Based on BBC’s reputation, I believe this image is real. If it were April 1st, I would think otherwise, but this photo was published on an average day
    – After reviewing more, it is believed that the ship is floating because of a mirage effect
    – “Just Passed Scenic Views” once your draw your reader’s attention to the Grand Canyon, you can go on and on about how long it has been there. Instead, the sign shows that you waited too long to catch your readers
    – Give them a heads-up before and not after.
    – Explain the phenomenon ahead of time
    – Worked on exercise 1. Helped with understanding what a rebuttal argument is
    -Donal Trump can sell his name whenever he wants
    – Worked on exercise 2. I had to reply if the revised paper made good points.
    – I don’t love you because you’re beautiful
    – What a good way to say this- I love you, but not because you’re beautiful
    – Makes a strong claim, but it doesn’t say you’re beautiful.
    – I love you not just not for your beauty- Very vague, why do I love her?
    – Be very specific in your claims
    – Try to avoid not and but
    – Work on the Not because assignment for homework
    – Refutation argument is due Monday the 21st at night

  30. duck says:

    – Just because something is from a credible source, doesn’t mean it is believable
    Writing advice
    – Common mistake amongst writers is forgetting to draw your readers attention to your argument before you actually argue it. Once you have their attention, go in depth in your explanation about it with evidence
    – Introduce your argument before you start spitting out quotes and evidence
    Rhetoric for Refutation
    – Identify that there are people that do not agree with your argument, show respect for the opposing argument, and rebut
    Rhetoric and scholarship
    – Make clear statements so they can be interpreted, this makes persuasion easier, and helps to drive home your argument
    – Use rhetoric to aid your argument, not hide it
    – Don’t be late in your explanation, you will lose the reader’s attention, be straightforward in your argument and explanation. Dancing around explanations is boring and hard to read
    – Only attack the support value of an opposing POV if you don’t have enough evidence to support your rebuttal
    Writing skills
    – “I don’t love you because you’re beautiful” is bad, don’t say that. “I love you, but not because you’re beautiful” is better, but “i love you not just for your beauty” is better, but “I love you for your beauty and your generous heart”
    – Quotes get clearer and clearer
    – Find ways to say positive terms to describe negative things

  31. -The riddle to me doesn’t seem very real because there is not a shadow or anything on the water from the ship
    -In the Arctic mirages occur in individuals because of the severe low temperatures
    -Indicate other point of view in your rebuttal argument
    -There are numerous rhetorical strategies in rebutting arguments
    -When reading a rebuttal argument defining the author’s position, the opponent’s position and what rhetorical strategy is being used helps understand the entire argument and breaks it up for the reader
    -I feel like this is very helpful because it makes you take it one step at a time when going through these types of arguments and will help you write one
    -Your paragraph may contain a valid argument but your language obscures it meaning the way you explain your argument hides what you are really trying to get across to the reader
    -Being more specific or direct in your claims will strengthen your argument

  32. rubes1256 says:

    I believe if a news source like the BBC is saying that a picture like that is real, then there has to be some explanation for why they are saying it
    “Just Passed Scenic Views”
    There’s no point in having a sign like this, because you already passed the views, you should tell them before the views come up and not bring it up so late
    Explaining your point ahead of time can make it less confusing for the reader as to what you are explaining
    A rebuttal argument is when you indicate that there are other points of view, show respect for them, and then talk about your point of view and why it’s correct
    “I don’t love you because you’re beautiful”
    “I love you for your beauty and your generous heart”
    Being more specific and direct can make it more clear as to what your point is

  33. oni says:

    BBC Boat: I tend to believe these sort of things. It has a very scientific explanation, and while I don’t understand it, I’ll believe it. Theres no harm in blindly believing it, so I’ll take their word for it. Now if it’s something more serious, something that affects me personally, then I’ll be more critical. But, since it’s just a fun image, who cares.
    Road Sign: Once you notice the sign, you’ve already passed what you were trying to see. You have to emphasis to your readers what your important information is, so that they don’t miss it. You can’t just word vomit a ton of information, and assume the reader will understand what you are trying to say.
    Rhetoric: Be very generous, before you tear it apart. You have to acknowledge what the counter arguments are, and give them some leverage. That way, when you tear their argument apart they cannot disagree with you again. There are many different strategies to do so.
    Do not give your reader time to disagree!
    Use causal language throughout.
    Negative statements: Don’t place the “dont” in front of the “because”. Almost all negative sentences can be fixed into a positive one, thats easier to understand and is stronger. “I don’t love you because you’re beautiful” That is a terrible sentence.

  34. redbird1123 says:

    Long sentence can be simplified down so that we dont use to much throat clearing.
    Guide the reader carefully through of your writing
    Dont just give facts to the reader because its get tiring.
    Dont off a sentence with because.that is saying you aren’t something change into not because

  35. bitagaming says:

    -Don’t be afraid if someone else are not agree with your argument, be respect and read them carefully, to know
    False Analogy is creating accidents, unmasking to some degree depending on identity.
    Painting the divergent opinion into a corner is Putting oneself in a predicament from which one cannot free oneself.
    Reducing the definition of consent to absurdity is a form of argument that attempts to establish a statement by showing that the opposite scenario would lead to absurdity or contradiction.
    Explain your argument early could help people attractive to your post and know what is going on in this article.
    Making a causal argument is not just pointing out facts, but add cause and how does it affects.
    Don’t say “I don’t love you because you’re beautiful”. Some body only care the phase “I don’t love you, they don’t care the thing after “because” says, “I love you, but not because you’re beautiful” instead, it is better

  36. * You don’t conclude what you should have from evidence that isn’t “prepped” first.
    * The writer can’t persuade them audience if they aren’t ready for it and then try to make them to see what they want them to see.
    * Let your readers know that they’re about to see the information and then give them some information to lead them to a conclusion
    * A false analogy is when the author believes something based on something that they already know
    * Unmasking analogies is a clever technique that can take the analogy given and breaks it down. False analogies can be presented with good evidence but lead the audience to the wrong conclusion
    * Reducing the argument to absurdity is taking the argument as it is.
    * Argument and Rhetoric are inseparable. They go hand in hand. There is no way for someone to see the rhetoric of something without it being persuasive
    * Guide your readers carefully instead of throwing fact after fact after fact and then using all of that to have them see a conclusion.
    * Guys. Don’t ever say “I don’t love you because you because you’re beautiful.” The “not” has more power than the “because.” The because doesn’t really matter because you already gave the negative, and you’re explaining it.
    * You can say the same exact thing but you can leave “because” out and it’ll make the sentence a whole lot better.

  37. Class Notes:

    – Writing advice:
    Once you draw the readers attention about a subject, let the reader know the details about it ahead of time, not after you have proved all of your points.

    – Explanation+ evidence+ more evidence

    – Refutation argument structure :
    1. Identify that there are other point of views.
    2. Accommodations that show respect for the divergent point of views.
    3. Disagree and state why. show proof.

    – Strategies:
    -Paint the divergent opinion into a corner.
    – Reduce the definition.
    – Expose the duplicity.

    – Uncorrected drafts suffer from imprecise language that inhibits interpretation. ( read it out loud, see if its comprehensible.)

    – Don’t give readers time to disagree.

    – Don’t use ” you” as in second person in the essays.

    -Sentences that follow a negative verb with ” because” creates confusion for readers.

    – Its better to specify. ( Not Because ).

  38. xephos1 says:

    Make Up(Out sick)
    The optical illusion pictures a cargo ship that appears to be floating above the horizon
    The illusion is caused by light bending
    The article that wrote about the illusion may not be a trustworthy source
    The way the article describes the illusion sounds somewhat credible
    I think that the BBC article is purposefully made to sound credible. No regular person is going to understand light bending so in a sense, it falsely gives the article authority.

    Writing Advice
    You don’t want the reader to go back and question what they just read
    Ideally, you want to tell readers to watch for “scenic views ahead”

    Rhetoric Unit
    Uncorrected drafts suffer from imprecise language that impedes reader interpretation
    Corrected drafts make clearer statements that are easier to interpret
    Rhetorically effective arguments prove more complex theses

    Sources Workshop
    Make sure to make use of the Rowan library database

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